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Ya'll need Mises.

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 No.105511 [Open Thread]

Welcome to /liberty/, your board for libertarian discussion.

Now on 8kun!

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 No.105730

>>105728

julay.world/liberty was the biggest but they had a big purge

That board was migrated to hoppe.sama but they had technical problems

The same board migrated to 8chan.moe/liberty

For whatever reason that group does not like 8kun. There's also decidedly more anime and larp posting.

There's also 9chan.tw/libertarian

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 No.101776 [Open Thread]

What are some good guides and strategies on how to make money and manage finances? I figured there's no one better ask.

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 No.101828

>>101827

>implying society will still exist in 20-30 years

we're circling the toilet. There's simply no way to stop the pendulum swing.

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 No.101829

>>101776

>implying ancap is anything more than an autistic LARP

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 No.101836

>>101829

>steal from a rich guy

>hope the politicians you elected will give you something

>ask mommy

You're right, /pol/ and /leftypol/ has better advice.

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 No.101840

>>101776

Let me give this a shot. These are just general principles I learned from people I know IRL who are very financially stable.

-Look into job opportunities and growth. Whether it is getting into an applicable stem job or climbing the corporate ladder. A good example of this is learning how to code along with other skills to expand your economic opportunities

-Diversify your assets. Many giants and average joes have been swept off their feet for relying too much on one thing. Invest in stocks, bonds, gold and other varied assets (liquid or otherwise) so that you have a good basis of wealth for yourself.

-Cut frivolous spending. With the desire for wealth some sacrifices have to be made (Unless you get really lucky of course). Try your best not to spend on things that will not benefit you financially in the long run like starbucks, expensive outings, etc. I'm not telling you to be a workaholic robot that never buys things that make them happy just because it has no financial incentive but you should be able to balance things and gauge how much you're willing to sacrifice without being miserable. The more you sacrifice the more gains you will potentially receive

-Always strive to learn. Everything is a learning experience one way or the other and in our society information is more important than ever. Learn about rising economic powers like china or the I.T sector, Learn about job and investment opportunities that might pay off in the future. Constantly living like this might be tiring for some but it is very rewarding in the long run.

I apologize if these are too abstract or cliche for you but that's the best I know as of the moment kek.

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 No.105947

Americans don't care if everyone is placed under house arrest, but Americans lose their minds if a junkie is freed from prison.

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 No.101585 [Open Thread]

As early as 1875, a vision for Eurasian-American cooperation was becoming realized as leading Americans and Russians alike foresaw the construction of telegraph and even rail lines across the 100 km Bering Strait crossing separating Russia from Alaska. Proponents of this policy on the American side included Lincoln-ally and Colorado’s 1st governor William Gilpin, whose book The Cosmopolitan Railway was published in 1890 showcasing a “post-imperial world” where mutual development was driven by rail lines across all the continents and featured the Bering Strait rail connection as its keystone. Many of Gilpin’s co-thinkers in Russia grew in influence and even convinced Tsar Nicholas II to endorse the project in 1905. The fact that the newly completed Trans-Siberian Railway was modelled on Lincoln’s Trans-Continental Railway and carried train cars built in Philadelphia made this concept very feasible in the minds of many people in those days… not excluding a British Empire that desperately wished to see this potential destroyed.

>tfw communists singlehandedly prevented what would have been the biggest war-prevention mechanism and global anti-poverty lifeline of all time

>tfw American-Russian relations are still ruined to this day between them and FDR's shit-tier government

It hurts, /liberty/

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 No.105946

Americans scream tyranny is wonderful, but Americans are unable to explain why Cubans try to escape even though Cuba has gun control and free medical care.

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 No.105945 [Open Thread]

Catholic cardinals urge Trump administration to embrace a moral compass in foreign policy

https://abc7news.com/post/us-catholic-cardinals-urge-trump-administration-embrace-moral-compass-foreign-policy/18435102/

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 No.105778 [Open Thread]

Literally can't travel to some states (and MANY countries) w/o having some kind of negative covid paperwork. I'm not going to a hospital or any other place with SICK ppl to get tested for something I know I don't have. Bought a fake covid test more as a defense mechanism in case some libtard state required it. I used fakecovidtest.com but there's a couple spots for it. Control starts with some fake virus that everyone will need to be 'vaccinated' for - don't get caught.

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 No.105780

tons of stories like this going around - with the bullshit fake 'second wave' talk the govts are going to lock things down again and continue the control scheme

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 No.105794

yea same shit is happening for xmas - soon theyre gonna require the 'vaccine'

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 No.105804

I'm sad to hear that. COVID is a bad thing in every way.

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 No.105805

Tests for the appearance of ko are something mythical and implausible. Many countries are trying to make their vaccines the best-selling. That's the problem. But also because of the covid tests, a lot of countries have closed their borders. For example, the Russian Federation. Unfortunately, I had to return to the Russian Federation to renew zagranpasport, but with the help of https://www.russia-travel.com/passport/ I was able to do this remotely.

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 No.105944

Is there much difference between the elites who are destroying the US with wars, debt, and tyranny and the Americans who accept the wars, debt, and police state?

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 No.103959 [Open Thread]

>Richard Lynn's most recent numbers, from 2019 and this book

>http://www.ulsterinstitute.org/intellofnations.html

What are the implications of this data for libertarianism and the people that like /liberty/? Is there a necessary IQ threshold for caring about abstractions like democracy and freedom?

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 No.103975

>>103959

>democracy

>freedom

choose one

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 No.103983

anons is it a good idea to take mexicana girl as wife? she has usa citizenship while im an european

she might be intelligent but what about regression to the mean when it comes to offspring? :(

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 No.105556

>>103959

>Is there a necessary IQ threshold for caring about abstractions like democracy and freedom?

Apparently its pretty low considering Brazil

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 No.105943

Those who praise tyranny are mentally ill.

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 No.105041 [Open Thread]

What are your thoughts on EMH and random walk hypothesis?

Do you feel it's bullshit in its strong, semi-strong or weak forms?

I personally think it is possible to not believe in EMH and still be an advocate of free markets.

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 No.105942

You know that you live in the Twilight Zone when the US is a bankrupt warmongering police state and Americans look you in the eye and say that the USA is a peaceful and free country with a balanced budget.

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 No.104105 [Open Thread]

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 No.104113

Who wrote that does not know that the gold standard works unlike the flat earth.

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 No.104114

Either they're a bunch of Keynesians or they're referring to the fact that there are still means by which nations can fuck with currency even with a gold backing; gold backing just makes it a little harder.

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 No.104120

The nonlarping parts of the left know well.

Most of the lolbertarians could do… better than this thread.

Reddit spacing (greaterthan) reddit thread. D00d

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 No.104360

>Supporters of the gold standard think that some sort of gold value peg prevents governments from adjusting its value, when in fact, government would periodically adjust the value of gold all the time.

>government would periodically adjust the value of gold all the time.

>periodically adjust the value of gold all the time.

>adjust the value of gold

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 No.105941

One of the reasons the US is collapsing now is that Americans think that decay will be stopped by becoming Fascists and Communists.

Americans think the US will be improved by expanding wars, increasing the debt, and adding more tyranny when the reason the USA is crashing is because the US has wars, is in debt, and has a police state.

Americans say that they love freedom, but then they turn around and say they need the government to give them free Obamacare, build a wall, protect the US from Yemen, wiretap their phones, arrest people for feeding the homeless, stop farmers from plowing fields, force people to get rid of dogs, ban vaping, and torture suspects.

Every country has the government it deserves.

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 No.102310 [Open Thread]

>feliks konieczny

thoughts?

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 No.102311

File: fb51485bc004b6d⋯.gif (1.32 MB,264x264,1:1,costanza.gif)

>shock study

>state propagandists are more likely to support more state intervention

>shock

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 No.102322

Do nu-conservatives have to run around gathering and spewing stories and statistics on things that the past 3 years have shown to be true in hopes of convincing normalfags to suddenly turn their minds off the mainstream and then pretend to be "shocked" by things that everyone already knew to be true?

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 No.105940

Does anyone get the feeling that the Uniparty has been bought off by the elites?

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 No.102164 [Open Thread]

>Naofumi

>selfish and cynical anti-hero that goes full libertarian

Is he unironically ancap?

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 No.102187

>cuckime

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 No.105537

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 No.105939

The boxcars won't even be needed because Americans are so enslaved now that Americans will drive themselves to the concentration camps.

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 No.100847 [Open Thread]

liberland citizens please report in itt

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 No.100868

Quick rundown?

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 No.100967

Does it still exist?

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 No.105938

Americans think living in a socialist police state is normal, but freedom is not some textbook theory.

There are still some Americans alive today who will tell you that freedom is better.

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 No.100941 [Open Thread]

>communism doesn't wo-

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 No.100975

Most of those were accomplished by the west when it invented industrialism, of course when USSR copied industrialism without having to discover anything by trial and error or go through any growing pains it would happen a bit faster. Also they received food aid from the west for their entire existence, China receives various investments and even dollar for dollar aid to this day, despite being the 2nd largest economy. Imagine if America received money from the UN, it's that ridiculous.

>wage gap

Although I'll admit capitalism never solved imaginary problems.

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 No.100977

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>>100941

>Raised life expecancy

>Increased income

As I always, always said, and as is always ignored, communist countries will see fucking growth and no one denies that as long as there are capitalist countries next to them which are also developing, for the same reason as a beggar in a rich neighborhood will eat caviar at some point, whereas a beggar in the neighborhood of beggars will starve.

As economies develop, the prices of goods - including capital goods - is lowered. It isn't just lowered for this economy, but for all others. If some brilliant entrepreneur made flying saucers available for a hundred dollars, the Democratic Republic of the Congo could henceforth claim that "Africogangrapism" had increased the number of flying saucers by 1250% in a year. Opportunity costs, as we all know, are not reflected in growth statistics, so the fact that the increase was 1250% and not 2500% will be completely lost.

>eliminated unemployment

As easy as shoving everyone who can work in a mine and discounting everyone who cannot work as a pensioner, child, or housewife.

>firing was rare

Kek, with twenty million dead as a lower estimate, I'd say firing happened quite often, amirite?

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 No.100983

>>100941

Oh, and concerning education, communist countries tend to have notoriously high literacy rates and education levels, which is simply because they shove everyone into mandatory schooling.

>But if everyone was in a Gulag, how could everyone get schooled? Checkmate, my aynclap friend!

Everyone was schooled even in Gulags. Every single source about communist countries that I ever consulted talked about the indoctrination and reeducation rampant in these countries, especially in prison. So, is it any wonder literacy rates went sky high? More importantly, is that in any way reflective of an increased standard of living, or should we maybe discard literacy rate as an a-grade indicator of living standards if they can be increased by building schools in Kolyma and then deporting everyone and his mom to Kolyma?

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 No.100993

>>100958

same in communist poland

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 No.105937

Americans insist that they live in a free country and just shrug when they are given overwhelming proof that the US is a police state.

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 No.99278 [Open Thread]

what's the cause of this house debt and student loan debt crisis? why is student loan debt and household debt skyrocketing? why are people buying less houses? is it the government or a side effect of the free market?

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 No.99279

>>99278

>house debt

federal reserve low interest rates

>student loan debt

government laons

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 No.99280

For future reference, the QTDDTOTT is here: >>97996

The answer to your question is the result of the degree industry getting subsidized from both sides. Widespread financial aid programs increase the ability-to-pay of every student, which causes the price to increase, similar to why inflation causes prices to increase. However, direct financial aid is relatively small when compared to tuition cost, so it's clear that there's more happening here. The other contributor on the consumer side is that even "private" student loans are almost all bought up by the government even if a private institution gives them out. Since the government will buy them up immediately, banks assume next to no risk when giving out student loans. This means they'll approve almost every application for a student loan, which increases the demand for student loans, and an increase in demand causes an increase in price.

On the supply side, private and public universities alike receive a healthy amount of government funding to subsidize their costs. As the government has an effectively infinite willingness-to-pay, any subsidized university can't go bankrupt, and there's no longer any incentive for universities to minimize cost. As a result, programs, departments, and hiring decisions which would be considered useless waste in an unrestricted market are approved without question, and university operating costs begin to balloon to ridiculous proportions. Further, government interference in other forms actively encourages universities to waste money on useless, nonproductive overhead. Thanks to Title IX and the flagrant abuses thereof, every university now spends millions on hiring diversity officers, setting up an evaluation system to deal with Title IX reports and similar accusations, gender studies departments, and other such subversive nonsense. And that's only scratching the surface of the subsidies provided.

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 No.99292

>>99278

maybe milenials take gender studies degree and then realize they dont earn money so they cannot pay debt

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 No.105936

Now that the US is a police state, every American should expect to be arrested at some point.

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 No.100761 [Open Thread]

Fucking hamsters will live in ancap utopia before humans.

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 No.101043

>>101026

Yet I still remember that post you made, about giant guinea pigs

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 No.101046

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>>101043

Ahhhhhhhhhh, hold on motherfucker… this takes me back! Are you talking about that one "unusual pets" thread they had? Damn, you have great memory.

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 No.101083

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>>101046

>why do you like capivaras?

>they are like giant guinea pigs, only a faggot wouldn't want a giant guinea pig

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 No.101086

>>101046

what the fuck is it doing?

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 No.105935

Americans think living in a socialist police state is normal, but freedom is not some textbook theory.

There are still some Americans alive today who will tell you that freedom is better.

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 No.100647 [Open Thread]

I feel like he's going to end it

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 No.100676

Wait. So the Fed finally raised interest rates?

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 No.100683

>>100676

The Fed started raising rates awhile back, a baby step at a time.

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 No.100692

>>100676

>>100683

and then they said they werent going to until after 2020 so they capitulated

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 No.100705

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>>100692

>mfw austrian economics wins again

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 No.105934

Libertarians think that they should give up defending freedom because Americans hate liberty, but Libertarians should keep resisting tyranny for selfish reasons.

While the elites control the money, government, and media, the 99% have the numbers.

One Libertarian may not be able to resist being sent to the concentration camps, but one million people might.

https://dis.tinychan.net/lounge/

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